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Poster: BataviaSparky Date: Feb 26, 2011 10:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: TDIH- Over-rated!

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1977-02-26.sbd.cantor.deibert.83283.flac16

OK-I admit i really dig the Terrapin debut, the Slipknot! rips, and this is FAR from a clunker, but...

"What can you say about the most amazing Grateful Dead Concert ever!"-reviewer 'sammytown'

"one of the most epic sets right in-between Blues of Allah and Terrapin station"-reviewer 'ZDarks' (BTW Z, them there Blues are FOR Allah, not of!)

Might be gettin' just a tad bit excited there fellas. Listen to anything from '69 or '73 with good sound and a consensus star rating that averages more than a couple of stars and you'll hear significantly more compelling and energetic Grateful Dead music than essentially anything from this night.

Sure, I smell an opinion, but don't one's own usually smell good?

Cliff agrees- "Is there a more overrated performance than this show?

Is there a more overrated year than 1977?

Is there a more overrated song than Terrapin?"-reviewer CliffHucker


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Poster: BataviaSparky Date: Feb 27, 2011 5:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- Over-rated!

I'm tickled that my post inspired so many to pipe up.

Hell, I don't know what it means to call a show over-rated, either! I just know that this was one of the first four or five "bootleg" shows that i obtained in the CD format, as a complete show and of high quality. So having listened to the show several times, all I can conclude is that it has no 'grab'- I mean I'm stretching to find the moments. Yeah, the Eyes is pretty cool, Phil has that great bass change in tone and all, but the Jer leads are just too 'noodley' IMO.

Dancin' should have never survived the Dead's setlists beyond maybe '69, again IMO. The jangly guitars and disco-like beat of theses 'later' versions just is not for me.

I promise to give the Playin'/Wheel sandy another try, but I can already tell you that I'll go to '73 before long and let one of the winter Playin's melt my frontal lobe.

Thanks to everyone for your opinions, that's what I'm here for!

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Poster: darkstarice Date: Mar 1, 2011 5:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- Over-rated!

Very interesting indeed!

I love the "philosophical" approaches to many of these replies. Awesome!

And now to keep it stirred up... I never see mentions of 5-15-77. I'm not a huge '77 fan so I think the whole year is slightly "overrated". ;)
But I'd have to say that's my favorite of that year.

Anyone...?

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Poster: Jim F Date: Feb 27, 2011 12:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- Over-rated!

It's not the "best show ever," but for what it's worth, I think it's definitely among the top of the class for 1977. There are moments in this one that are downright awe-inspiring.

And yeah, Terrapin's cool, I enjoy it live, but it's one song that I rarely ever play when I listen to recordings.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Feb 27, 2011 8:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- Over-rated!

Well, I have blabbed several time on this ( sorry ) . I was at the show, I may be a bit overrated, ( for me those May shows are the best of 77 ), but is a good one, and pretty interesting . I kind of see it as a "proto 77" show,' part of it looks back to 76 ( "Playing>Wheel>Playing") , and part of it looks to what was to come ( the breakouts, "Sugaree" etc." . Glad I got to see it !

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Poster: patkelleyPA Date: Feb 27, 2011 5:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- Over-rated!

there is indeed a more overrated song than Terrapin. It's called "Dark Star."

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 27, 2011 5:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- Over-rated!

Yikes; whipper-snapper!

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Feb 27, 2011 6:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- Over-rated!

How can Dark Star be overrated? It's not even a song. To say it's overrated is to say the dead's improvisational skills are overrated.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Feb 27, 2011 11:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- Over-rated!

It's got words. It's got music. How do you define a song?

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Feb 27, 2011 12:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- Over-rated!

Whatever, all I meant was that the similarities between any two dark stars, especially from different eras, are slimmer than between two random performances of a song like "Brown Eyed Women." Semantics! *barf*

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Feb 27, 2011 7:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- Over-rated!

He can't hear the Dead's improvisational skills.

We are all capable of listening, but not everyone can hear...

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Feb 27, 2011 7:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- Over-rated!

I'm well aware of this fact; I find it exceedingly odd that he is a fan of the Dead, though; to me the whole idea of Dark Star defines what the band IS to me.

It really kills me that the whole idea of improvisational music is essentially dead to my generation; most people my age (college) don't even really know that it exists, and when I play something like dark star or even the 8/6/71 Hard to Handle with the outrageous 2-minute or whatever guitar solo from Garcia, they don't even hear it! It's hard not to lose faith in the ability of my friends when none of then even REACT to this music.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Feb 27, 2011 11:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- Over-rated!

"I find it exceedingly odd that he is a fan of the Dead, though; to me the whole idea of Dark Star defines what the band IS to me."

If Dark Star "defines what the band IS", you are missing out on a lot of great music my friend.

"I'm not anywhere near college, and I love the GD's improv skills (which I am more than capable of "hearing"). I just don't think it's the be-all and end-all of GD songs, or "pieces," or "compositions," or "improvisational sections," or whatever you want to call them."

I have to agree with the esteemed counsellor on this point.

"We are all capable of listening, but not everyone can hear... "

And we do not all hear the same things in the same places. Though clichéd, two statements that ring with truth are:
1- different strokes for different folks
2-variety is the spice of life


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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Feb 27, 2011 12:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- Over-rated!

"If Dark Star "defines what the band IS", you are missing out on a lot of great music my friend."

Not sure what you mean... the umbrella of "dark starness" encompasses all of what they do. The idea of spontaneity and group cohesion, that is. I didn't mean to say that Dark Star itself was the only thing worth listening to!

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Poster: user unknown Date: Feb 27, 2011 3:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- Over-rated!

"I didn't mean to say that Dark Star itself was the only thing worth listening to!"

I fully understood that you weren't discounting everything except Dark Star. It just seemed you were discounting some of the tight 3 to 5 minute tunes, both originals and covers, that were just as entertaining as the more extended jams.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Feb 27, 2011 11:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- Over-rated!

"variety is the spice of life"

And without variety there would be no evolution.

Really, just wanted to say hi, Bill!

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Poster: user unknown Date: Feb 27, 2011 12:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- Over-rated!

Hello Rob. Hope all is well in your world today.,

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Poster: patkelleyPA Date: Feb 27, 2011 8:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- Over-rated!

I'm not anywhere near college, and I love the GD's improv skills (which I am more than capable of "hearing"). I just don't think it's the be-all and end-all of GD songs, or "pieces," or "compositions," or "improvisational sections," or whatever you want to call them. In fact, playing all those random mixolydian scales up and down takes far less skill than most of their other "improvs." (I'm thinking Other One, Slipknot, some Elevens, even Space in the 80s and 90s). That's all.

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Feb 27, 2011 9:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- Over-rated!

Yeah I am in full agreement with you on the theory end of things; the early dark stars (read: 1968) are not nearly as impressive to me as the ones to come (a few from 69, most of 1970, some of 71, all of 72). In the early days they rarely stepped outside the bounds of A mixolydian / E dorian.

Speaking of 69, happy anniversary to the Live/Dead dark star!

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Feb 27, 2011 8:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- Over-rated!

Geez, MC. Aren't there any folks of your generational acquaintance who are into jam bands? Or is even that too old? Really, what DO they like? Is it all about slick or mechanical and computer-enhanced, or what? (Maybe you'll have to wait for my son to get to college. He's almost 15 and really into Dark Star and the jazzier/jammier GD stuff ... although that may be his survival skills, too, LOL!)

On Dark Star: I'd say there's what you could call Dark Star-ness, and then there's Dark Star. The idea of DS may define a big part of what the GD is, manifested in so many ways depending on the tune that provides the opening, but DS itself has a fairly specific mood (or set of possible moods): to me, it's pretty meditative and interior-focused, so the improvisations tend to take off from that mood in one way or another. I wasn't particularly drawn to DS initially (hearing only the version on Live/Dead) although I was very attracted to jamming in general and the really "out-there" '60s stuff in general.

I'd imagine there are lots of folks who don't experience the Dark Stars themselves as their Ultimate Dead Moments, but who very much "get it" about Dark Star-ness in TOO, or Eyes, or Shakedown, or whatever. In that context, since DS is so revered, I could easily see someone having an irreverent bah-humbug moment and saying it's "over-rated" without meaning that they don't "get" what you could call Dark Star-ness.

Semantics ... yeah, maybe ... but hey, you're in college, right? There's gotta be a paper in there. After all, there's a famous essay on how Minimalism is Baroque (says the one-time art history major), so why not a paper on how All Dead is Dark Star but Dark Star is Not All Dead? :-)



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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Feb 27, 2011 9:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- Over-rated!

Ooh I dig that last suggestion for an essay title. I managed to pass a somewhat questionable essay about the Grateful Dead off as a B+ in a European History class last spring, so I'm not going to tempt fate further.

This is my last semester in college (hopefully grad school next, in math, but we'll see). I have to say that I _have_ had more success in pushing the Grateful Dead on people more recently, and many people are very, very hip to the jazz gods of the 20th century. So for that I give them credit.

For whatever reason, though, I don't know anybody who's that into jam bands. There's been a lot of buzz recently about the new Radiohead album (about the only popular band I like), and there's a lot to be said for the mechanical and static nature of studio albums, but yeah, Radiohead doesn't _jam_. Although I'd love to see them do it, as I'm sure they'd be excellent improvisers (very, very talented instrumentalists).

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Feb 27, 2011 9:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- Over-rated!

The GD in European History? Ummmm ... "The Soviets in '72: Bozos or Bolos?" I'm impressed. That plus must have been for sheer chutzpah.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Feb 27, 2011 9:46pm
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The KGB tried to integrate themselves into the Bolo's.
Or was it the Bozo's?.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Feb 27, 2011 10:09pm
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The CIA were working on the Bolos. The KBG went for the Bozos. They liked the clown noses, because it hid their Russian accents. "Vy do vee talk vunny? It is zis nose."

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Feb 27, 2011 9:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- Over-rated!

It was a comparison of the Dead's approach to music with Nietzsche's Birth of Tragedy; I believe I posted about it here when I was writing it. It wasn't total BS but it was a stretch.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Feb 27, 2011 9:59pm
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Much more impressive than my college Nietzsche paper, wherein I refuted him by comparing his ideas to Carlos Castaneda and Crack in the Cosmic Egg. Neither of which, I should point out, were assigned reading. I still remember it because, well, it's so stereotypically comical in retrospect.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Feb 28, 2011 4:40am
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That really is funny ... were you trying to live up to all the stereotypes or what? :) Didn't you say you switched majors to accommodate your Dead touring schedule?

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Feb 28, 2011 5:34am
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Yup, that was probably the same year. I was trying very hard to make 1979 into 1969. It was a very educational endeavor -- just didn't have a lot to do with anything as mundane as major requirements! I got serious later. I mean about academics. I was perfectly serious in '79, just about, well, different things :-)

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Feb 28, 2011 6:35am
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I understand :)

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Feb 27, 2011 11:15pm
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Garcia actually said much the same thing in '87, when asked what happened to Dark Star:

"Really, Dark Star is a little of everything we do, all the time. So what happened to Dark Star was, it went into everything. Everything's got a little Dark Star in it.
I've never missed it, because what we were doing with it is everywhere. I mean, our whole second half is Dark Star, you could say. But I have nothing against Dark Star, except that really it's a minimal tune. There's really no tune. There’s just a couple of lines and that's it.
So it's hard for me to relate to what is it about Dark Star that people like, apart from the fact that we get weird in it.... So Dark Star is an envelope for me, not really a song."

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Feb 27, 2011 8:41am
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"It really kills me that the whole idea of improvisational music is essentially dead to my generation; most people my age (college) don't even really know that it exists, and when I play something like dark star or even the 8/6/71 Hard to Handle with the outrageous 2-minute or whatever guitar solo from Garcia, they don't even hear it! It's hard not to lose faith in the ability of my friends when none of then even REACT to this music."

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Poster: Mu-tron Date: Feb 27, 2011 3:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- Over-rated!

The Playin->Wheel->Playin from this show is amazing. I would say this show is NOT over rated seeing that no one has even mentioned the best part of the show. This bit of 77 magic helped get me on the bus. I suggest listening to this bit under the right conditions and call me in the morning.

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Poster: Mu-tron Date: Feb 27, 2011 3:57pm
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Sorry Dudley...just saw that you mentioned the Playin!

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Feb 27, 2011 5:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- Over-rated!

But didn’t you know? ’77 goes up to eleven!

Actually, I don't really know what it means for a show to be "overrated." I mean, is there a Committee of Official Dead Raters somewhere (COF-Dead-Rat for short), and "sammytown" is on it, and if we don't think it's the bestest show ever we get kicked out of the club?

Anyway, it's a gorgeous show. You can almost listen to any moment and get the chills. Or I can, anyway. If they let me on that committee, I’ll vote for it to be in the ’77 Top Ten. As long as they don’t make me swear I’ve listened to every single show that year repeatedly and attentively, scoresheet in hand. (Of course, why do I think sammytown hasn’t, either? Cliff might have, but apparently he's either not a member of COF-Dead-Rat or was outvoted.)

Incidentally, I do have a clip here of the chairman of COF-Dead-Rat with his ‘77-O-Meter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeOXsA8sp_E

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Feb 27, 2011 7:46am
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I thought '77 only went up to 8? 7?
The Committee has strong propaganda to charm innocent heads into thinking this is an even good year.
Just like the Committee, 1977 got no soul.

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Feb 27, 2011 12:46pm
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I tend to agree, although there are a few very, very special shows from this year. I'd pick 5/11 and 6/4 as two; I might throw in 12/29 if I'm feeling generous.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Feb 28, 2011 9:48am
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Hey MC, 5-11 wasn't half bad. That's the first '77 show in a loooong time I enjoyed (kinda ;-)

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Poster: steam locomotive Date: Feb 27, 2011 7:27am
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For the record, I recall Robert Hunter once saying that seeing the Dead break out Terrapin to open this show, he knew why he had been put on Earth.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Feb 27, 2011 5:23am
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I feel like a broken record, because this always comes up with the discussion of this show. Over-rated is meaningless. Cliff calls it over-rated and also puts it in his top 10 shows for 1977. So what does that mean? Its a top 10 show in a year of fantastic performances but its not a top 10 show of all time? Who cares. I think this comes up about this show because of the first Terrapin and Estimated and their placement in the show. Some confuse historic significance with performance. For me, those are very minor components of the show. Try the Eyes>Dancin', HSF and Sugaree if you want to see why Cliff calls it a top 10 in '77.

I'll stick with my philosophy regarding this and other over-rated shows. If it is a show that you would recommend to others to listen to, then its neither over-rated or under-rated, its just the good ole Grateful Dead.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Feb 27, 2011 5:59am
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I'd love to see the reaction of your colleagues if you brought that mind-set into the lab, Larry :)

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Feb 27, 2011 12:00pm
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Well i do bring part of that mindset to the lab everyday. I have no problems telling the people in my lab or for that matter the people whose papers are submitted to journals that in turn ask me to provide peer review, that they have misinterpreted their data and come to the wrong conclusion. I think people have completely misinterpreted your thoughts on this show since it is also in your top 10 list for the year. I think people have also mis-intepreted the "rating" of the show. Too many people build it up or knock it down because of historic significance of the first 4 songs played and completely miss the point of what really makes this show great. Finally, as both AR and I have pointed out, the meaning of "over-rated" is something that is really subjective. There is no committee determining this or consequence of it either.. It is basically what individuals think about the show and we all have different palates. So PatKelley can think Dark Star is over-rated because while quite popular with many deadheads, its not his cup of tea. For me that song would be Shakedown Street. I actually prefer the studio version instead of the jammed out live versions. I like it as a disco song and find the disco jamming to be uninspiring. However that is my personal preference and is only useful to people as it might give them some insight into how i view things. I am sure there are wine critics that you are more likely to trust based on how they have rated wines you have liked. Now they may call something over-rated because you have to pay for for wine and they may not think it is worth the cost. In the case of listening to music here or shows you acquire from bittorrent sites, the cost is essentially non-existent so the consequence of being over-rated is equally minimal.

I trust your musical palate, therefore if you think 2-26-77 is a top 10 show for '77 then i'm going to be pretty sure that its a darn good show. Whether it is not as good as others think it is, is irrelevant.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 28, 2011 6:32am
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There is, however, one critical component to any "evaluation environment" that you neglected to identify: the voice of authority. Or, shall we say, "accepted dogma" or "guiding paradigm, accepted as 'true' or as close to 'truth' as we dare admit".

Of course, I leave it to you to decide for yourself whether you accept, deny, ignore or fight against said idols of guiding light, hoping against hope to replace them, overthrow them, or watch them fade into insignificance with a passing generation.

I, however, remain committed to the one, past, present and future paradigm of "early is better". Ergo, 77 sucks.

It's a comfort zone, anyhow...





JK, lab leader!

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Feb 28, 2011 6:54am
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Ahh, but you prove my point, i know where your palate is, so I know how to consider your opinions regarding anything after 1971!

As for dogma, if we come up with finding that appears to fly in the face of dogma, i just make sure that we are really comfortable of what we are saying based on solid findings and critique of the data before we publish it. However i have no problems with publishing something that does not fit neatly into the current "beliefs" of my peers.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 28, 2011 11:12am
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Yikes!? What any authority figure hates to hear/read: "I know you well enough to (discount) your input"

Say it ain't so!

Well, okay, I am happy to concede that you, Rob and Arb know me well enough to make such an inference--but don't let on to the newbies, or Dire (he's slow, so I largely have him fooled on any number of issues), since with the cat out of the bag, I might be "discounted" right out of the "free market place of ideas" (that is where we is, right?).

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Poster: Jim F Date: Mar 1, 2011 2:56am
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Don't worry, I'm sure you're not the only one whose credibility the noobies would discount. I mean I've been reading this forum for years and I don't take anything you a$$holes say seriously, you're all crazy.
:-P :-D :-P

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Poster: high flow Date: Feb 28, 2011 11:43am
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If(Big-ass IF right there) you take the time to listen to a post 1971 show, we'll listen to your opinion.

If you choose to lump entire decades in to the "not worth the tape on which they were recorded" category, you'll be discounted like bruised bananas with those little fruit flies hovering around them.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 28, 2011 12:08pm
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Well, you just take that back right here and now, BIG ASS IF-STER! You know darn tooting too well that I was AT shows from 74 to 82, and 77 was one of my higher attendance rate yrs, so there! Hootey Pooty Toe-in-your-eye as we red-neck, inbred East Bay Area types are wont to say!

Seriously, I didn't even know the "early era" existed, to any real degree except the Live Dead/Anthem/Vintage DEAD albums suggested, til TFTVault came out, and I found my way here...really. I only listened to shows from 71 on, til the past five yrs or so...

I do admit, post 82, I would listen, and record all radio broadcasts (weren't many cause I was out of the Bay Area by 79), but by 87 stopped doing that...however, til ~ 2005, I can say my only insight to pre 71 was via commercial releases.

Folks may not realize that for many of us, it was Sk & Roses style "live dead" that had by far the most appeal, and most exposure to "heads of the 70s".

Just think of how we had that album, we had 7-2-71, 8-6-71 and 11-7-71 as the MOST famous of all bootlegs, and they really are just extensions of the S&R release, right?

I can admit now that the very few tapes I managed to collect of pre 71 vintage (again, til recently), were few and far between, and the "best" were the acoustic ones of 70 fame (Feb and May, etc).

I continue to be struck by how when each of us came on the scene, and esp dependent on where, and which "tapers community" you were exposed to, you had very diff experiences.

Hope you're hitting the court now and again these days, punk! I like to think I can live vicariously thru the antics of you, and other friends, that can do more than stand in one spot and flip in a hook now and then (like me).

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Poster: high flow Date: Feb 28, 2011 12:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- Over-rated!

I can relate. 2FTV was a revelation. I knew nothing of Primal GD and my early-GD knowledge was pretty much S&R and some '71 tapes I was given.

BUT, I also never attended any 70's and barely any '80's shows. Thus, I was thrilled to have access to those years as well. In other words, more was "new" to me than to you, because you had seen shows in earlier eras/decades.

I had a few '71, '73, '76 and '90s tapes, but not enough to really appreciate the differences and distinctions.

I was amazed how different 2FTV was compared to my favorite 1971-4-5. It blew me(Ducats?) away.

I've reduced my hoops to 2X/week with a minimum of 2 rest days between. I tore my calf 2 months ago and the 7 week recovery was good for my knee. So I'm gradually ramping-up my fitness as to avoid further injury.

On the non-hoop days I simply treadmill up hill and do some leight wifting. We've also been doing some family hikes. I've been surprised by my kids' endurance.

I was kidding about the bruises and flies.....you're still top-banana.:)

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Poster: Jim F Date: Feb 28, 2011 2:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- Over-rated!

Yeah, I don't really hold much faith or pay much attention to "ratings" and reviews and such. In terms of both positive AND negative reviews. Categorizations and rating scales and all that do have some use or significance, but are not really things that comes into factoring what I decide I like or don't like. In general terms, at most they tend to be suggestions for things I might decide to put in the playlist for the day. They can be good signposts in terms of specifics; ways of pointing out rare jams, unique strings of songs or arrangements, etc.

When it comes to Grateful Dead shows, the similarities far outweigh the differences. There's always some subjective peak moment/s, more mundane, perfunctory moments, song/s you love, song/s you hate, etc.

All's I know is, I really really like 2/26, and have no interest in debating subjective opinions on whether it's "top 5 of the year" or "top 5 of all time" or "has a top 3 performance of Playing in the Band for the year and a top 10 performance of it of all time." I'm more like Latvala, whatever I'm currently listening to that is blowing me away, THAT'S the best show ever.